Of course not!
That is just like traffic lights, they put them in silly places only to slow you down.
Ignore them all!

I would like to add my little input to the ABS discussion here.

I was racing XFG last night on AS north (Dead Men Racing for free advertisement purposes ).
I turned on ABS and cranked up brake strength and found out that by trying not to activate it I needed a better modulation of the brake pedal.
Trying that for a few laps helped me find the threshold much faster that the usual tedious process (save a replay and check with the force view where it locks).

So the ABS should in my opinion remain an option player and server side for the road cars, as it provides a good learning tool.
It is much easier to tell when a tyre is on the limit and to stay close with the ABS orange color and feedback, and I plan to carry on learning how to brake with higher brake forces this way.

Another note: usual setups (meaning shared by a vast amount of users) have a greatly reduced brake strength in order to prevent lockups at 100% braking - braking start conditions. Does the ABS really give a further advantage that than extreme setup option?

Quote from Scawen :

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EDIT : I have not tried but I guess you could reproduce it in this case with mirrors on by turning your car round and driving backwards over the hill

Confirmed

No problem to reproduce it here

Just one question, only if you have a few seconds to spare: why does it bug only when the mirrors are off?

Thanks for the information, good luck for the fixing part.

I am still following this thread closely, out of interest for the adventure the iracing team has started.
When I log in here I am looking for the opinion of people who race or used to race in LFS and have rented iracing, and thus can bring forward a valid comparison between the 2 sims.
I am also looking for the posts of LFSers who have not even set a wheel into iracing, because a good percentage of the LFS community is composed of individuals with interesting views on racing sims, and a rare to find open-mindness, all that combined with the capacity to write proper English.

I am interested in what iracing will achieve and also a bit scared that if they succeed they may create a new trend. I still wish them good luck in the process, and without having tried the game I can say here on LFS forum that I disagree with the pricing policy and marketing show iracing created.

That was a long read, this thread.

Thanks a lot Scawen for the communications.
No problems with the delay, that was to be expected after reading the test patches forum.

Good luck on fixing the bugs, and thank you very much for listening to the user requests and implementing them (reduced setup options, now that will be interesting )

Wishing you, the dev team and also LFS users, including the impatient moaning kids, a merry christmas.

remove teh mouse from inside maybe?

Quote from nismoCat :

But Stabiltity control?

Sorry but the fuse came out

Quote from Glenn67 :

Snip... But it also means that some of the older lic players aren't visiting demo servers as much as in the past and therefore aren't creating friendships with new prospective S2 drivers and imo that's one of the significant factors of LFS's sucess is the friendly community. I for one have had the opportunity to get to know a significant number of prominate community members in the demo environement since I've been arround - early '04. ...resnip...

I support this view. Rusty was one of the friendly figures sticking out when I was on demo. It took me years to get S2 (despite a sufficient and stable income, money is not always the problem / solution) and the maturity and help from S2 users made me coming back to the same combos. Without that I would have got fed up with the game and would probably not have S2 now.

BL1R is a very good track, much more challenging than the current demo configuration, but was so under used when I was "only" a demo user that I perfectly understand why the devs binned it.
Only the veteran demo users knew and used BL1R, and as a dev you surely do not want the demo users to become that experienced

What I do not understand is why there are not more severs running / racers racing demo cars or TBOs on BL1R.

Quote from legoflamb :

I have a question.

Why would anyone use auto-clutch in the FBM?

So you don't stall in the pits?

DAG00BER:
If you only race with beginners you will not learn to drive faster and cleaner.
Change your point of view and spectate / discuss / get sets and tips from the faster drivers, that will help you tremendously.
It can indeed be frustrating not getting points for a race, but what would be the value of the higher license it is was easy to get?
In order to get silver and above you must demonstrate that you can compete cleanly with the faster guys on track, it is not automatic and some never get there - stick to it and you will progress.
The system works - I got past race1 and learnt a lot in the process, close racing, T1 madness, respect... and I even picked up some pace even if I am still not a match for the fast ones.
Remember that CTRA rewards clean racers even more than fast ones, and starting to learn how to race cleanly will get you there faster

+ 1 with Android's variation.
unanimity vote to end race sounds good. It might clutter the chatterbox though

Damn, after 12 pages of sarcasm it still does not get in.

I think it is a lost cause by now. Where are Shotglass / Kev / Spank / Xaotik when you need them to enlighten the crowd with a few well chosen words?

Especially with nominations at hand

I have a sorry bind as well.
Why?
1) I crash when I try typing while driving
2) I play on a laptop, so the keyboard is hiding behind the wheel - sorry would end up as sitrrsy or something the like if I tried to type that.
3) I use the sorry bind when I am not too sure who caused it / when the incident I caused has no visible consequences. Anything more serious, I stop / pit / spectate and type an apology. I prefer to stop and drive to the pits if it is still possible.

Any sorry is good to hear, if it is meant. The only way to show it is meant on virtual racing is by your actions.

Excessive politeness can lead to funny situations as well
I remember getting stuck on Dead Men Racing server after a minor collision ending in the grass - none of us could determine who caused it, so we waited for the other to rejoin the race first... lost about 30s typing "my fault, I think / after you / no you go first"

Quote from David 96 :

Foa little period of time
there was LbertyCruiseDemo but then it disappears

The Insim applications these days can be pretty complex and offer everything needed for a cruise server.
However the demo version of LFS does not allow objects on the track, so all you could get is some text / commands - that is probably not sufficient to become an interesting cruise thing.

Cruise servers in S2 (from what I understand only, I am not a fan) use custom layouts to simulate roads - BL track is too wide as it is.
The servers also give you the opportunity to make virtual money completing tasks or driving, money can then be used to buy new / more powerful cars. Considering the demo cars available, not much point here, don't you think?

For these reasons the programmers that create the applications for cruising work with S2 - no point in creating a complex application with such limited features I would think.

If you feel like programming visit the correct section in the forum to create your own demo cruise application and advertise it, you should get a server owner run it if it is any good

Do not listen to demo bashers in here, they are no majority but have unfortunately loud voices.

I enjoyed LX6 / mouse a lot until I bought a wheel.

Some more tips:
1) LX6 / mouse will be driveable if you set the "button control rate" lower than with other cars. Try the lower end values, maybe around 3-4.
This will artificially smooth your inputs (throttle / brake) and the car will become more stable. It should also reduce spinning tendency. Warning! Braking a bit earlier is necessary because full braking power will no more be available when you press the button.

2) Brake balance is a setting you should play with - less front bias mousing that using the wheel

3) Now the difficult part: To be fast with LX6 you will have to tap the buttons, especially throttle. Tapping frequency required is lower if the "button control rate" is low. This will be necessary to keep some gas in the corners, accelerate early enough, and brake late. I recommend (if not done already) that you use KB buttons for throttle / brake and keep the mouse for steering and gear changes, that is slightly more stable and ergonomics.

4) When you reach 1-2s off WR, get a wheel or get in touch with Palluka because I can no more help

Hi spenceris,
I'm interested to know roughly how long (driving time) it takes you to get back to speed with the wheel. Could you share this information here?

I bought a G25 some weeks ago but don't have much free time for LFS (age brings more money and less time to use it...) and am still 05-1.5s per minute slower than I was with mouse.
On the other hand I don't see how I would get back to mousing, too much fun loss.
Enjoy!

Speak friend and enter!

Damn the thread title is misleading, I thought we were discussing left handers... you know, the ones that turn left

Lefty here as well, but many things are designed for right handed people so some tasks must be done with my right hand (scissors, mouse, **** can opener...).

I see more CTRA servers as race servers, where lap times are not so important.
Of course the Moose up here often ends up alone in front in hotlap mode, while we slowpokes have good fights at the back , there I can see a good use.

What could be fun is a insim applied restriction on a dedicated server to even the field, based on CTRA performance (time / race performance) on the specific combo used.
Any thoughts on that crazy idea?

Sir, this is teasing and does not help the OP. Shame on you

Try to get some fun out of the learning process... After all it's only a game

Besides you don't get the bill after smashing the FBM to bits, so smile and try again!

Please show your elders some more respect.
We are not getting older, only gaining maturity, self esteem and confidence (maybe losing hair in the process, but nothing is free these days...).

You did not add any extra chicane there, did you ?
Sound like a great combo again, I hope I can get there...

My assumption is that you have a wrong configuration for the sequential shifter.
All you have to do is check you LFS config for the shifter, as you probably have the wrong buttons assigned to gear up/down (likely to be the paddles by the wheel).
Recalibrate the sequential mode in LFS with the shifter positions up/down and it should work!